Aaron Hernandez arrested released by Patriots

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Re: Aaron Hernandez arrested released by Patriots
« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2017, 11:51:04 AM »
No. It saved Ken Lay too. Federal Court.

TB can you explain why laws like this are kept in existence?  this just seems unreal to me. apparently this is a very old law in Mass. i dont know how old but some stories ive ready just say thats its really old

should be an easy fix, if you die by killing yourself why not make this null and void? people obviously know about these loop holes and are taking advantage of them
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Re: Aaron Hernandez arrested released by Patriots
« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2017, 01:54:37 PM »
No. It saved Ken Lay too. Federal Court.

TB can you explain why laws like this are kept in existence?  this just seems unreal to me. apparently this is a very old law in Mass. i dont know how old but some stories ive ready just say thats its really old

should be an easy fix, if you die by killing yourself why not make this null and void? people obviously know about these loop holes and are taking advantage of them
And also explain the financial reasoning for him to have done what he did. If his estate was worthless, does this just allow his family to go after the "forfeited" contract money from the Pats?

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Re: Aaron Hernandez arrested released by Patriots
« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2017, 02:14:45 PM »
No. It saved Ken Lay too. Federal Court.

TB can you explain why laws like this are kept in existence?  this just seems unreal to me. apparently this is a very old law in Mass. i dont know how old but some stories ive ready just say thats its really old

should be an easy fix, if you die by killing yourself why not make this null and void? people obviously know about these loop holes and are taking advantage of them
And also explain the financial reasoning for him to have done what he did. If his estate was worthless, does this just allow his family to go after the "forfeited" contract money from the Pats?

yeah I dont understand the whole contract nonsense AT ALL...if he's dead,guilty or not guilty, how are the patriots obligated to keep paying him??? the contract is with him, not his family right? if this is true then is any team obligated to keep paying a players contract even if they die?.. for example are  the Marlins obligated to keep paying Jose Fernandez's family the rest of his contract?

this all makes zero sense.
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Re: Aaron Hernandez arrested released by Patriots
« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2017, 02:21:49 PM »
No. It saved Ken Lay too. Federal Court.

TB can you explain why laws like this are kept in existence?  this just seems unreal to me. apparently this is a very old law in Mass. i dont know how old but some stories ive ready just say thats its really old

should be an easy fix, if you die by killing yourself why not make this null and void? people obviously know about these loop holes and are taking advantage of them
And also explain the financial reasoning for him to have done what he did. If his estate was worthless, does this just allow his family to go after the "forfeited" contract money from the Pats?

yeah I dont understand the whole contract nonsense AT ALL...if he's dead,guilty or not guilty, how are the patriots obligated to keep paying him??? the contract is with him, not his family right? if this is true then is any team obligated to keep paying a players contract even if they die?.. for example are  the Marlins obligated to keep paying Jose Fernandez's family the rest of his contract?

this all makes zero sense.
Ya, pretty fascinating stuff. I'm assuming the money the Marlins are paying Fernandez's family does not count towards the Luxury Tax cap as well?

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Re: Aaron Hernandez arrested released by Patriots
« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2017, 02:28:44 PM »
No. It saved Ken Lay too. Federal Court.

TB can you explain why laws like this are kept in existence?  this just seems unreal to me. apparently this is a very old law in Mass. i dont know how old but some stories ive ready just say thats its really old

should be an easy fix, if you die by killing yourself why not make this null and void? people obviously know about these loop holes and are taking advantage of them
And also explain the financial reasoning for him to have done what he did. If his estate was worthless, does this just allow his family to go after the "forfeited" contract money from the Pats?

yeah I dont understand the whole contract nonsense AT ALL...if he's dead,guilty or not guilty, how are the patriots obligated to keep paying him??? the contract is with him, not his family right? if this is true then is any team obligated to keep paying a players contract even if they die?.. for example are  the Marlins obligated to keep paying Jose Fernandez's family the rest of his contract?

this all makes zero sense.
Ya, pretty fascinating stuff. I'm assuming the money the Marlins are paying Fernandez's family does not count towards the Luxury Tax cap as well?

are they obligated to pay it? im asking I dont know
If you don't read the papers you're uninformed. If you do read them, you're misinformed - Mark Twain

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Re: Aaron Hernandez arrested released by Patriots
« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2017, 03:00:45 PM »
No. It saved Ken Lay too. Federal Court.

TB can you explain why laws like this are kept in existence?  this just seems unreal to me. apparently this is a very old law in Mass. i dont know how old but some stories ive ready just say thats its really old

should be an easy fix, if you die by killing yourself why not make this null and void? people obviously know about these loop holes and are taking advantage of them
And also explain the financial reasoning for him to have done what he did. If his estate was worthless, does this just allow his family to go after the "forfeited" contract money from the Pats?

yeah I dont understand the whole contract nonsense AT ALL...if he's dead,guilty or not guilty, how are the patriots obligated to keep paying him??? the contract is with him, not his family right? if this is true then is any team obligated to keep paying a players contract even if they die?.. for example are  the Marlins obligated to keep paying Jose Fernandez's family the rest of his contract?

this all makes zero sense.
Ya, pretty fascinating stuff. I'm assuming the money the Marlins are paying Fernandez's family does not count towards the Luxury Tax cap as well?

are they obligated to pay it? im asking I dont know
Dunno about obligated but fairly certain that they are. They're planning statues and shit for him in Miami...

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Re: Aaron Hernandez arrested released by Patriots
« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2017, 03:10:55 PM »
No. It saved Ken Lay too. Federal Court.

TB can you explain why laws like this are kept in existence?  this just seems unreal to me. apparently this is a very old law in Mass. i dont know how old but some stories ive ready just say thats its really old

should be an easy fix, if you die by killing yourself why not make this null and void? people obviously know about these loop holes and are taking advantage of them
And also explain the financial reasoning for him to have done what he did. If his estate was worthless, does this just allow his family to go after the "forfeited" contract money from the Pats?

yeah I dont understand the whole contract nonsense AT ALL...if he's dead,guilty or not guilty, how are the patriots obligated to keep paying him??? the contract is with him, not his family right? if this is true then is any team obligated to keep paying a players contract even if they die?.. for example are  the Marlins obligated to keep paying Jose Fernandez's family the rest of his contract?

this all makes zero sense.
Ya, pretty fascinating stuff. I'm assuming the money the Marlins are paying Fernandez's family does not count towards the Luxury Tax cap as well?

are they obligated to pay it? im asking I dont know
Dunno about obligated but fairly certain that they are. They're planning statues and shit for him in Miami...

ok thats another nutso situation, maybe that wasnt the best example lol

wasnt it deemed he was high on cocaine and crashed the boat? so honor that with a statue..what a crazy ass world we live in today  :gulp:
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Re: Aaron Hernandez arrested released by Patriots
« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2017, 04:21:12 PM »
Haha I think that was a perfect example though.

And obviously they're memorializing his life, not how he died. From all accounts, he was the best teammate, dad, and all around person. Just had some poor judgement sometimes. Who doesn't.

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Re: Aaron Hernandez arrested released by Patriots
« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2017, 04:25:55 PM »
Haha I think that was a perfect example though.

And obviously they're memorializing his life, not how he died. From all accounts, he was the best teammate, dad, and all around person. Just had some poor judgement sometimes. Who doesn't.

I see what you're saying, but that bad decision killed 2 other guys too

anyway, my guess is this is not a common practice, and either has to be written into the contract or the CBA of the league itself then
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Re: Aaron Hernandez arrested released by Patriots
« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2017, 10:29:47 PM »
As far as the criminal action, the judgment is vacated because it wasn't a final judgment. He was on appeal. An argument could be made that the appeal should be heard and them accept that ruling as final judgment, but the defendant-appellant isn't there to help in his defense. As far as the money goes, I believe MLB pays out existing K's in cases like Fernandez', pursuant to it's CBA with the player's association. I don't know the NFLPA and owners understanding, but if his K was negated because of the charges, and the charges are gone, then possibly.the K is valid.