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Hawks offseason thread
« on: April 15, 2011, 04:23:44 PM »
To elaborate more on the prospects... we just dumped Skille this year, I  think we can stick a fork in Kyle Beach, the fact he didnt get called up all year, a guy like Ben Smith gets called up and is playing in the playoffs really speaks volumes there. Beach was suppose to be our 3rd or 4th best prospect going into the year??   

All these guys got minutes on the Hawks this year over Beach..all were forwards too

Jeremy Morin
Ben Smith
Jeff Taffe
Evan Brophey
Rob Klinkhammer
Brandon Pirri
Marcus Kruger

And the only reason Dylan Olsen didn't get called up is because we are deep on defense, otherwise he would have been on this list  too.

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Re: Hawks offseason thread
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2011, 09:07:08 AM »
I stopped watching after they gave up the 3rd goal with 13 seconds left in the 2nd....brutal watching these games...almost as bad as watching a full Cubs game  :tounge:

my stomach just cant take it, I keep thinking about all the players we had to dump, and how we'd be wiping the floor with these guys again this year if it weren't for the cap

Oh well, probably only 2 more games to endure...

Its almost worse because you got to see how good they were last year, just dominant in all facets and how much they are struggling this year. Its tough. Hard salary cap really did a number of their roster.

On your prospect post...IMO seeing skill in a hockey player (from a scouting standpoint) seems to be one of the easier jobs in sports. Would you agree with that? I hated seeing Skille go and am dumbfounded by whats going on with Beach. And thought Morin had more to offer. Any chance the Hawks can get a lot of value in return for Kane right now?

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Re: Hawks offseason thread
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2011, 10:21:17 AM »
I stopped watching after they gave up the 3rd goal with 13 seconds left in the 2nd....brutal watching these games...almost as bad as watching a full Cubs game  :tounge:

my stomach just cant take it, I keep thinking about all the players we had to dump, and how we'd be wiping the floor with these guys again this year if it weren't for the cap

Oh well, probably only 2 more games to endure...

Its almost worse because you got to see how good they were last year, just dominant in all facets and how much they are struggling this year. Its tough. Hard salary cap really did a number of their roster.

On your prospect post...IMO seeing skill in a hockey player (from a scouting standpoint) seems to be one of the easier jobs in sports. Would you agree with that? I hated seeing Skille go and am dumbfounded by whats going on with Beach. And thought Morin had more to offer. Any chance the Hawks can get a lot of value in return for Kane right now?

I wouldn't say its any easier then baseball or football...I would say basketball is probably the easiest simply because you only have 2 rounds...But I would compare it much more to baseball because you are drafting 17, 18 year olds most of the time, and then they usually go to college after that or go play juniors for a few years.

Beach I called in the off season last year, I know a few of you guys were high on him, but given his age and history he just seemed like a classic case of a bust to me, I felt if he was going to pan out he would have had to be on the roster thsi year, and he wasn't, in fact i think he didn't even make second cuts, which is bad!  I could still be wrong, but for a guy who is 22 already to be getting passed up by a kid that was just in the NCAA final 4 ,Ben Smith (who I'm pretty impressed with, I think could be a really good player for us next year by the way)  is just a red flag for me. this is a guy who had size and could skate, but has a lazy tag, and undisciplined, these were the knocks on him going into the draft and its why he dropped to the Hawks.

As far as this season and Kane goes, I would say this season has panned out  pretty much how I expected it to.. Kane is a good player, but he's not the kind of player that is going to be very effective on a shallow team, and this year Hawks team is shallow...lets face it last year we had 4 lines we could roll out there, this year we have 2 at best, I knew the lack of depth was going to allow teams to zero in on players like Kane, Toews, even Hossa.

When you combine everything we are talking about here, this is why I was so against giving hjalmarsson 4 mil a year...forward was not an area of depth on this team after the cuts, but defense was, we had Leddy waiting in the wings, we have another guy Dylan Olsen who easily could have been called up this year...I would have kept either Buff, or Ladd and let SJ overpay for hjalmarsson...and actually Buff could have played either forward or D if you kept him, so if you did find that you needed help on the backline you could have always moved buff back, and allowed him to play power play forward...I just think that was a big mistake in the offseason.

as far as trading a guy like Kane, 6.3 million would allow you to go after a couple of decent 3 million range guys  and get some depth back on this team again...its not going to happen though...this team is locked in with who they have for the next several years..I hate to say it, but we could see even more drop off from this year to next...just look at the UFA's and RFA's on our team, and we only have about 8 million in projected cap space...that number could go down because they cap is probabaly going down  :sick:

http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=11&salary_cap_mil=59&salary_cap_thou=4

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Re: Hawks offseason thread
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2011, 10:49:13 AM »
You know...going over our cap sheet some more I just have to ask....  :ponder:

How can you justify Kane making the same as Toews? who I consider to be much more valuable because he's a two way player

Seabrook making more then Keith?

oh and Campbells contract REALLY hurts...I thought we were done with him by 13-14...nope we got 5 MORE YEARS(2015-16)  of 7.1 million a year hit ...think about it this way...Kane and Toews will have to be resigned again, before Campbells contract is over....LOL....ouch!

Campbell = Soriano   :icon_biggrin:

in the end its hard to be overly critical of any of these guys, they are all good players and have their pros and cons, and at this team pinnacle they fit perfect and brought a cup here, but its clear we did not go about it very intelligently( not like Detroit seems to do) and probably cost ourselves a shot at at least another title run possibly.

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Re: Hawks offseason thread
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2011, 09:15:03 AM »
Sassone discusses some off season decisions..he also mentions the cap going up 3 million? I heard the opposite just a few weeks ago, so I guess well see, that would sure help the Hawks ability to make some moves though if it did...I copied the part below that talks about the off season stuff, the rest of the article is post game material from the Vancouver series

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20110427/sports/704279812/

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Bowman doesn?t have a lot of holes to plug. There is a need for more size and sandpaper, but a lot of the key pieces are already in place in place for a serious Cup run.

Bowman has decisions to make with certain restricted free agents such as Brouwer, Viktor Stalberg, Chris Campoli and Jake Dowell ? re-sign them or use them as possible trade bait.

Signing restricted free agents Crawford and Frolik must be a priority for the second-year GM.

As for unrestricted free agents Tomas Kopecky, Ryan Johnson, Marty Turco, Fernando Pisani and Jordan Hendry, perhaps only Johnson returns if the price is right.

Kopecky is coming off a career year numbers wise with 15 goals and 42 points, but if he wants too much more than the $1.2 million he earned this season he likely would be allowed to walk with the likes of forwards Smith, Marcus Kruger and Jeremy Morin waiting in the wings.

Perhaps the Hawks look to deal one of their big-ticket players such as defenseman Niklas Hjalmarsson, who has three years left on his contract that carries a hefty $3.5 million cap hit. The Hawks are deep on defense if they?re looking to go that route to acquire a big forward.

Bowman?s cap problem isn?t nearly as bad as last summer, especially with the $4.1 million bonus hits for Toews and Kane coming off the books and the cap expected to rise by at least $3 million.

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Re: Hawks offseason thread
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2011, 10:17:47 AM »
Hammer has been a dissapointment or at least not worth the $3mil and what we gave up for him. Defense is definitely concern #1, especially with the lack of size and toughness up front. Trading him is a good option. I think you keep Brouwer and let Kopecky walk if there isnt a discount. Not sure where I stand on Campoli but after watching him flip the season in the glove of Burrows the other night...I dont mind letting him walk.

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Re: Hawks offseason thread
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2011, 02:14:47 PM »
Hawks had a great draft...a lot of publications gave them an A grade..I've heard that ESPN has them as the best class, but its insider article

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Gare Joyce and Grant Sonier grade each team's prospect haul and provide analysis. The Wild pleased the home crowd, but the Blackhawks may have had the best draft. Grades Insider

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=6703812&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/hockey/blackhawks/ct-spt-0626-blackhawks-nhl-draft-chic20110625,0,7673089.story

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/748249-caroline-wozniacki-kurt-rambis-serena-willams-and-todays-top-sports-news/entry/101812-nhl-draft-grades-will-chicago-blackhawks-make-stanley-cup-run-following-draft


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Re: Hawks offseason thread
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2011, 10:42:11 AM »
been reluctant to post this...now that the holiday weekend is over....Hawks sign 5 players... to one year deals (thank god)...............

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/hockey/blackhawks/ct-spt-0703-blackhawks-free-agent-cap20110703,0,1910510.story

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20110701/sports/707019718/

Would have liked to see them make a play for Eric Cole...He would have brought back some of what we lost with Andrew Ladd...a big physical forward that hits and can also score, he got 18 Mil for 4 years with Montreal...doesn't sound like the Hawks even made a call, which was very disappointing, you just won the cup a year ago at least talk to the guy maybe he takes 16M(4M a year) to come here and get a chance at a cup...or how about Mike Rupp a  big 6-5 230lbs physical player with some offense too (poor mans Byfuglien) ... no play for him either, and he only got 1.5 a year for a crappy Rangers team
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nhl/news/story?id=6731364

So you dont make a play for either of those guy and you let Brouwer go on top of it? Physical play and hitting was the weakness for this team last year, and you dump more and replace it with 4 aging vet role players?

And just when I thought we couldn't find a guy more useless then John Scott...the signing that absolutely made my stomach turn... Dan Carcillo.... a wanna be tough guy who takes stupid penalties, ALL THE TIME! There is a big difference between being and playing tough and playing stupid, they way Carcillo plays just doesn't fly in the NHL anymore...and for a team that was near the bottom of the league in killing penalties last year, not a smart move IMO...He's also suspended for the first 2 games of next year because of exactly what I'm talking about...for those that follow the Hawks this was the same douche bag that practically knocked out one of his own players in the SCF last year against the Hawks  because he doesn't play with his head...I'm really hoping he sees little to no time on the 4th line much like John Scott was used last year, maybe they can both sit in the press box and keep each other company.  :yuk:


So, yeah, needless to say I was very disappointed in the FA signings, more so was because we let Campbell go, who outside of his contract was a very good player for us, and helped us break out of our zone and really QB the offense, we let him go to get more cap room(which I can understand), but then we sign 4 role players who are almost 40 years old...and one trouble maker who really can't do anything else other then agitate and take dumb penalties  ( John Scott part 2, only with a lot less size)

I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that Bowman is thinking late season addition possibly through trade next year? or has Something else up his sleeve other then this


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